Sunday, August 17, 2014

Continuing the 1930 Williamson land value survey

Qualifications of M. Z. White

     Mr. M. Z. White is President of the First National
Bank, President of the Coffey Land Company, President of
the State Senate of West Virginia, and was the personal
friend and advisor of the late W. J. Williamson, founder
of the City of Williamson. Mr. White's long residence and
close touch with the financial affairs of the city have
kept him exceptionally well-informed as to the conditions
and values in the city. Mr. White asked to have his an-
swers to the questions transcribed, then he carefully checked
them; although he owned property on 2nd Avenue, Mr. White
unhesitantly stated 3rd Avenue was better than 2nd Avenue
between the dates of this inquiry, but that 2nd has since
pulled ahead.
     In discussing the sale by Alex Bishop to the Day and
Night Bank of a half interest in Lot 17, Block 5 for $40,-
000.00 in 1922, Mr. White stated that $80,000 was cheap
enough for the property at that time. He said Mr. Bishop
made a give or take price of $40,000.00 for the half interest,
lot he considered worth $30,000.00 to $40,000.00. He said
Bishop was at that time Cashier of the First National Bank.
When Pickle Shimer, as trustee, sold Ammar this property in
1926, for $67,000.00, Mr. White stated this was an awful cheap
price, as the result of a bank failure. He considered the
bottom land in the yard area 50% better than the platted area
on the hill for any purpose.

[A WV genealogy site has an entry for Mr. M. Z.
White -- but doesn't tell us what the "M. Z." stands for.]
Check him out --





Qualifications of T. R. Joseph.

     Mr. T. R. Joseph, at present manager of or agent
for the following companies:--
          Morningside Land Company
          Big Four Land Company
          Mingo Investment Company
          Guyan Land Company
          Valley Investment Company
          Knox Creek Land Company
was also formerly connected with the Randolph Realty Cor-
poration, now out of business. He has his office on the
Second floor of the National Bank of Commerce building,
where he was interviewed. Mr. Joseph is well-informed re-
garding real estate values, particularly in East William-
son. Stated he came to Williamson district twenty years
ago, having lived there exclusively for ten or twelve year.

[Mr. T. R. Joseph was a public accountant who had opened
his practice in Williamson in 1925, according to the record of a
legal decision.]

Qualifications of H. G. Williams
     Mr. H. G. Williams is a gentleman of about 50 years of age.
He has been in Williamson over twenty-five years, and is in the real
estate and insurance business. He is Secretary of and Agent for the
Williamson Mining and Manufacturing Company, and, in general, for
the interests of W. J. Williamson. He also owns considerable property
personally, and has bought and sold a good deal more.
     Mr. Williams wrote the answers to the questions in the letter
presented to him, the carrier's representative offering no comment.
Mr. Williams stated the figures he put down in answer to question 4
represented his idea of the average value over the years 1920 to 19-
26. He Stated in answer to question 5 that it was true that the
Williamson Mining and Manufacturing Company owned much property in
and near Williamson, but had sold off much of the townsite some years
prior to 1920, and during this period held very little land down town,
and it certainly could not be considered as a monopoly, nor did it
hold land off the market in order to raise values. In question 7-A-
stated he considered $80,000.00 for the entire property a reasonable
consideration at that time;
     B--He considered $67,000.00 too cheap for the property, although
he pointed out the building was not much good for other than banking
use without expensive alteration;--C--Considered high by about $10,-
000.00; D--Said a reasonable price--that he knew the building was very
old and not worth over $5,000.00, leaving $25,000.00 for the lot. He
also stated that things were not as lively as in 1926.
     In answer to question 13, he stated the yard area from two to
three times as valuable as the platted land north of the railroad yard.
     Mr. Williams was asked as to whether payment of all cash for prop-
erty would have affected the price of property during the period under
consideration--1920 to 1926--. He said the Williamson Mining and
Manufacturing Company wanted their money out at interest if the grantee
was good security, personally, and would have made little if any dif-
ference for cash. Now, however, was a different story, although no
land was for sale now, as the estate was in litigation.

Qualifications of C. B. Early
Mr. C. B. Early, now about 45 years of age, was interviewed
at his office in Charleston, West Virginia, where he is now Executive
Vice-President of the Capitol City National Bank. He stated he went
to Williamson July 1, 1916, as Cashier of the National Bank of Com-
merce of Williamson, and remained in that capacity until 1927, when he
was made Vice-President. He continued as Vice-President of the National
Bank of Commerce at Williamson until December 31, 1928, when he came
to Charleston to assume his present position. During his residence of
twelve and a half years in Williamson, he was active in handling Real
Estate, personally and in partnership with others. He was heavily
interested in the Wilhemina Collieries Company and when same got into
financial difficulties he was appointed receiver, continuing in that
capacity until the company was able, through sale of real estate, to
clear off their debts, allowing discharge of receivership. He retained
his interest in the company, which changed its name to Morningside
Land Company, and stated that up to and including 1926 the company was
successful in selling lots in their addition in East Williamson, but at
present and for several years, development had been slowed down through
the failure of the City Government to keep its promise to supply water.
     Mr. Early stated that it was a fact that he was and always had been
considered very conservative in his appraisal of real estate, so much
so that local people did not like to see his name as an appraiser.
He stressed the fact that he thought of real estate values in terms of
loan values rather than sale values.
     Mr. Early mentioned the fact that he was naturally prejudiced to-
ward 2nd Avenue, inasmuch as his bank was located on the corner of 2nd
Avenue and Logan Street, and he was a "Second Street man."
     In speaking of the question as to whether cash had any material
influence on prices, Mr. Early said he thought in residential purchases,
more particularly of improved properties, a long time payment price--
mentioning $500.00 down, and balance by the month--would have affected
the price 10%. In the business property it would have little effect--
possibly 5%.

[A bit about Carl B. Early]

Thanks for reading this far! Third and final installment will be along shortly!

Saturday, August 16, 2014

A survey to determine the value of the land and right-of-ways of the Norfolk & Western Railway Company in Williamson, West Virginia

In 1930, the Interstate Commerce Commission undertook a survey to determine the value of the land and right-of-ways of the Norfolk & Western Railway Company in Williamson, West Virginia. The land appraiser, J.C. Lindsley, collected the short surveys, which had been filled out by respectable residents of the town, and typed up brief notes about the background or experience of the respondents to provide a context for the opinions. They were bound into a three-hole book and apparently sat, in a desk drawer or box in the attic, until now.

The rail yard still exists. Wikipedia article.

The surveys themselves, I won't recreate. It's Lindsley's notes that provide a bit of the history of Williamson, WV. They are recreated here to the best of my ability to copy accurately. Comments or clarifications on my part will be shown in brackets [such as these].

Qualifications of G. D. Poole

     Mr. G. D. Poole is a real estate and insurance dealer,
who has been in business in Williamson about eighteen years.
He was for many years in partnership with Mr. J. M. Smith,
that partnership having been dissolved in 1924. Mr. Poole is
well educated, has a keen mind and very good memory, and has
an excellent reputation. He owns considerable property, and
has bought and sold a great deal more. He is one of the best
informed men regarding general conditions and real estate values
interviewed in Williamson.
     No comment is considered necessary on the concise answers made
by Mr. Poole to the questions in the letter, except to note the
manner by which he arrived at the answer to question 13 [What
is the relative value of the land owned by the N. & W. Railway
to the privately owned property North of 4th Avenue?]. Mr.
Poole compared sale price of lots on the two sides of East Fourth
Avenue, and found that the level lots on the south side of the
street sold about 25% to 30% higher than those on the north side,
which included some slope, and used that percentage for his answer.

[G. D. Poole's son, George Jr., was born in 1919, and joined
him in the family business, which appears to still exist.
George Jr. died in 2010.  His obituary. ]

Qualifications of J. W. Peters

     Mr. J. W. Peters is a gentleman of about 65 years
of age, in the real estate business. He is also a large p
property owner. Mr. Peters stated he came to Williamson
thirty years ago, in 1900. At that time there was a popu-
lation of about 150 people in the town, and he has been
there ever since. His first purchase was a hotel situated
where the National Bank of Commerce is now located, and
covering a site 100 feet square. Mr. Peters stated he was
a stockholder in the Lawson Land Company, and in the Coffey
Land Company. He and Mr. Bishop sold the land which is now
Sycamore Heights, in 1913, but that sale, he said, has no
bearing on values between the period after 1920. He and Mr.
Bishop sold a 100-foot strip, partly bottom and partly hill
land to the N. & W. in 1905 at about $2,000.00 per acre, but
this same strip would have been very much more valuable, and
probably in lots, by 1920. Mr. Peters stated that at one
time he owned a good deal of the bottom land now in the yard.
He said it was good level bottom land, about the same level as
the down-town section. It was slightly broken at Williamson
Hollow, and at Sycamore Hollow, with a small drain across it
at Peters Street.
     Little comment is necessary on Mr. Peters' statements here-
in, which are clear and concise. In 7-B Mr. Peters stated there
was supposed to have been some "side money" passed, but no one
knew what went on. In question 13, Mr. Peters, having owned both
hill and valley land, expressed his idea of land in bulk for
subdivision purposes, at 50% better for the valley land.

Comment of J. W. Peters

     An opinion quoted by Mr. Teal on lots in Zone 53--
50x70' @ $1,000.00 each. Mr. Peters said this an aver-
age price for the lots after that period between 1925 and
1926.

[J. W. Peters was born in 1864, according to
WestVirginia-Genealogy.com ]
[I'm thinking that "100 feet square" isn't the same thing as 100
square feet, or that would have been one tiny hotel!]

Qualifications of A. B. Scott

     Mr. A. B. Scott, a real estate dealer and property owner
of Williamson, was interviewed in his office on 3rd Street,
next to the Williamson Daily News. He laughed when he saw
the heading of the letter presented to him, and said he was
all of A. B. Scott Company.
[The letter had been addressed to
Mr. A. B. Scott, President,
A. B. Scott & Company, Real Estate & Insurance.]
     Mr. Scott seemed very well versed in Real Estate values
and history, and was able to recall definitely the period
under investigation. He stated that sales made in 1919 were
no measure of values existing in 1920, and the same was true
of 1921, 1922 and 1923. After 1923 values contined to rise
though slowly, for some time, probably becoming stationary in
1924 and 1925, starting to slide a little along 1926, and
are still gradually declining. He stated the failure of the Day
& Night Bank in 1924 hurt the business conditions of the town
very considerably, although the effect in the value of real
estate did not appear immediately. In fact, it was a couple
years before the people woke up to the fact that a period of
depression was with them. He said these recurred occasionally,
and he looked to see things straighten out soon.
     In 1924, he stated Mr. James Dameron offered him $1,000.00
a front foot for his 100 feet on 3rd Avenue for a client, but
he refused to take the offer. This property had only very cheap
buildings, that amount being practically for the land, as he
understood the "client" intended to replace the buildings.
     Regarding the "Modern Homes Corporation," Mr. Scott state
he was interested in that. It consists of his wife, and her
two brothers, H. P. and Ireland James. Mr. Scott stated he was
a member of the Board of Directors of the Day and Night Bank
at the time of the purchase of the half interest in lot 17
block 5 from Alex Bishop. He stated Mr. Bishop made a give
or take proposition of $40,000.00 for the half interest, and
they bought. At that time it was considered a good buy. In
question 12 he had stated that the railroad property would have
developed before the platted property to the north, if it had
been available. In question 13, he stated 50% more, meaning
that the railroad property was that much more valuable than the
platted property to the north.

[Mr. Scott had also been president of the failed bank at some
point.  Lawsuit statement provided by Mr. Scott.]
[He was also overly optimistic about the depression straightening
out soon!]
[The Modern Homes Corporation shows up in Bizapedia
as having started in 1927. The WV Secretary of State, who
regulates corporations, has no such entry.]

Qualifications of J. M. Smith

     J. M. Smith is a real estate dealer who has lived in
Williamson for a good many years, being considered one of the
old timers. He owns a good deal of property, and has bought
and sold property in every section of the town; the volume of
his trading in property has been as large or larger than any other
individual in Williamson. He stated he had been in the real
estate business in Williamson ever since 1912. He had for a
number of years Mr. G. D. Poole as a partner, but this part-
nership was dissolved in 1924.
     In speaking of the value of the carrier's yard area, Mr.
Smith stated it was worth more for any purpose than the plat-
ted area to the north. He stated that, if Mr. Sweet quoted him
as valuing any part of the yard area at $2,000.00 per acre dur-
ing the period from 1920 to 1926, that he either misunderstood
the question asked, of Mr. Sweet misunderstood his answer, as
he does not believe he made such a statement.
     After having spent several months in intensive study of
real estate values in Williamson, I am of the opinion that Mr.
Smith is at least as well informed as any man in the city.

[Mr. Smith owned the J.M. Smith Investment Company,
started in 1926.]
[He also built and occupied a house that is now known
as the Hatfield-McCoy House, taking advantage of current
interest in that historic feud.]

to be continued ...